Oh, I know no one will get anywhere convincing any jim's out there about this subject, but it just blows my mind that you can be in an S Suite on a HAL ship (yes, one of the jim's is booked in an S), spending big bucks, but still nit-pick on tipping a bartender. It has nothing to do with opening a can or not; it's these little 'rules' these cheapskates set- when someone has done enough for them to warrant a measly few coins- yes, 15% of a 'dam' can of soda is about 40 cents! To them it's the principle that they can open the can themselves; to the rest of us who would put down at least an extra dollar +, it's rewarding someone who is doing his damndest working 70+? hours a week for months at a time and making our vacation very special. Now I'm wondering--- how many feet from the bar would a table in a lounge have to be before these guys would tip? Is 5 feet from the bar far enough, 10 feet, across the room? Where is the magic no tip/do tip line??? I find these tipping threads fascinating learning how some pax think.