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A good way to save, note to first time cruisers

Discussion in 'Carnival Cruise Lines' started by mlzangel78, Aug 28, 2004.

  1. Cruizer

    Cruizer Guest

    Cori Wrote:
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    > Without some sort of copyright mark, I really
    > don't see how a clerk could refuse reproduction of
    > a photo... if the photographer doesn't care enough
    > about his/her own work to bother putting a
    > copyright mark of some sort on it, then why should
    > I worry about reproducing it? in a similar
    > argument, if I leave my car unlocked and my purse
    > on the seat, if someone steals my purse, I bear at
    > least part of the responsibility because I didn't
    > take even the most basic means to secure it.

    WHAT? Are you saying it is okay to steal something just because it is not locked up???
     
  2. Cori

    Cori Guest

    For goshsakes, of course not. Before calling the cops on me, would you re-read my post?!

    NO, it's never okay to steal. BUT, if I own something and value it and do NOT want it stolen, it is MY responsibility to take basic means to secure it, because this planet has more than a small handful of people who have no respect for the law.

    Case in point-- I grew up in a very rural area; we never locked our houses or cars, etc. When I got out of college, I naively thought that I could continue to do that no matter where I lived. About a month after I moved in to my first apartment, I had forgotten my purse in plain view on the front seat of my (unlocked) car. The next morning, I went looking for my purse, and guess what? No purse. It turned up later that day, thrown into a yard down the street, intact but money and cards gone.

    Was it right for someone to take it? Of course not. But I was an IDIOT, leaving it out there like that, so some of the responsibility for my purse getting stolen rested on my own shoulders. If you give people an opportunity, there are plenty of unscrupulous low-lifes out there who will be more than happy to take advantage, and we need to ask OURSELVES first what we can do to stop it before we go blaming everyone else.

    So now I know better; I always lock my car and I never leave valuables lying around in plain view, just inviting someone to take them.

    So how does that translate to copyrighted photographs? If I am a photographer and value my work and don't want it stolen, then it is MY responsibility to take basic precautions to make sure that doesn't happen-- i.e., place a copyright mark on the picture somewhere. Clearly that provides at least a PARTIAL deterrent to people making copies at kiosks, because most clerks refuse to allow them. But if I don't bother to take even the most basic of security measures, I might as well just invite people to steal from me.
     
  3. cruisegary Wrote:
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    > > All due respect to copyright, etc.
    >
    > How do they KNOW it is professional picture and
    > not one that you took yourself?
    >
    > If you were to write your own letter, how would
    > they know?
    >
    > Many of the stores now have a self serve thing to
    > do your own pictures.
    >
    > You probably know somebody with a home scanner
    > that could help you. Actually you can get a
    > combination scanner color printer for under $100
    > these days.
    >
    > Meanwhile, why do the cruiselines have to charge
    > such an obscene price for those pics?
    >
    >


    Hi,

    Mostly people can tell that these pics were taken by a photographer due to the setting, or backdrop, which is very common to find at PHOTO STUDIOS... also, many places like Kenkos etc kind of use their common sense... Letters from Carnival come in Carnival letterhead, but good one. The self serve thing could work, I guess... as well as your own scanner... at $45 per ink cartridge? go right ahead.... Prices at cruise lines are pretty much like you'd find on land, the quality of the picture is better, the equipment is better, it is a service and it is not mandatory to take these pics...

    Another thing, OF COURSE YOU CAN, but should you? it's a personal thing.
     
  4. cruisegary Wrote:
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    > > All due respect to copyright, etc.
    >
    > How do they KNOW it is professional picture and
    > not one that you took yourself?
    >
    > If you were to write your own letter, how would
    > they know?
    >
    > Many of the stores now have a self serve thing to
    > do your own pictures.
    >
    > You probably know somebody with a home scanner
    > that could help you. Actually you can get a
    > combination scanner color printer for under $100
    > these days.
    >
    > Meanwhile, why do the cruiselines have to charge
    > such an obscene price for those pics?
    >
    >


    Hi,

    Most people can tell that these pics were taken by a photographer due to the setting, or backdrop, which is very common to find at PHOTO STUDIOS... also, many places like Kenkos etc kind of use their common sense... Letters from Carnival come in Carnival letterhead, but good one. The self serve thing could work, I guess... as well as your own scanner... at $45 per ink cartridge? go right ahead.... Prices at cruise lines are pretty much like you'd find on land, the quality of the picture is better, the equipment is better, it is a service and it is not mandatory to take these pics...

    Another thing, OF COURSE YOU CAN, but should you? it's a personal thing.
     
  5. Cruizer

    Cruizer Guest

    Cori Wrote:
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    > For goshsakes, of course not. Before calling the
    > cops on me, would you re-read my post?!
    >

    I had no intention of calling the cops. I read your post several times before responding - with a question. I asked for clarification, which you provided, and I appreciate that. I now understand what you were trying to say. I don't agree with you, but I do understand where you are coming from.

    Thank you for taking the time to respond.
     
  6. Cori

    Cori Guest

    Interestingly enough, this is all sort-of a moot point, isn't it? Since Carnival gives up releases for copying their photos without so much as a blink of an eye...
     
  7. Cori is right. I called Carnival the other day and asked for a release and they faxed me a letter within 2 mins. No problem at all. They were really nice about it.
     
  8. Kathy2182

    Kathy2182 Guest

    Cruise4Fun,

    We were told the same thing regarding the "watermarks" and that the pictures could not be copied, so we bought more pictures ($$$). However, when we got home, we tried scanning our pictures and the copies actually came out pretty good. No watermarks. They weren't as good as the originals, but not bad.

    As for trying to take a picture with your own camera using the ships professional backdrops, we tried SEVERAL times but we were told that we could NOT use their backdrops unless they were taking the pictures. And did you notice, that when the backdrops weren't in use, they put a lot of "stuff" in front of them so that you couldn't use them?

    Thanks for the information regarding obtaining a release from Carnival. Think I'll do that now!
     
  9. Kathy2182

    Kathy2182 Guest

    Forgot to ask...where do I go to obtain the "photo release" form/letter? I'm out on carnival.com but can't seem to find what I'm looking for.

    THANKS!
     
  10. Call Carnival Customer Service 800-929-6400 and let them know that you would like copies of your photos taken on your cruise and they'll send or fax you a release letter.
     
  11. Cori Wrote:
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    > Interestingly enough, this is all sort-of a moot
    > point, isn't it? Since Carnival gives up releases
    > for copying their photos without so much as a
    > blink of an eye...


    HELLOOOO, I said that on my first post!

    See how it all works out?!
     
  12. Cori

    Cori Guest

    I know, Coppertone Girl, it's just funny how we take the LONG way to come back around to these things, isn't it? :)
     
  13. maryc

    maryc Guest

    We sailed on the celebration in july of 04 and saw the same thing, that a water mark would appear, we did buy a couple of the pictures, and I scanned them, copied them at home, and the water mark did not appear.

    Walgreens, walmart etc....should not copy them for you, but you can yourself. They are expensive to buy from the cruise line, but if you go with a group you can buy a few of the best and split the cost and then copy when you get home.....
     
  14. jimlinalf

    jimlinalf Guest

    Funny thing about the discussion of copying photos taken by the shipboard photograpers. To me it's hilarious that folks often refer to these photos as something other than what they really are. These pictures are no more than fast food flash jobs,,, with very little thought given to them... hell , how do you think they take those pictures in mass numbers....Preset the camera and hit the button, step right up, next, thank you....really creative...

    Jim
    and yes, my wife did buy some of our first cruise, but never again.
     
  15. On our last two cruises they really took their time with us. One in particular was great. We've had some great pictures taken.
     
  16. Los Abuelos

    Los Abuelos Guest

    Next time you're cruising on a ship with a D-I-Y photo kiosk, just do it yourself!!

    I do mine while wife is sleeping.
     
  17. AngelFan

    AngelFan Guest

    Something seems a tad askew with that last statement!
     

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