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Hats off to Carnival

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YoureMoving

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I have to give alot of credit to the folks at Carnival for their support of the relief effort for Hurricane Katrina survivors in offering three of their ships as temporary housing. I know that obviously alot of cruisers will be affected by this, but think of the amount of money that it will cost Carnival over a period of six months to make this happen. Between full refunds, future shipboard credits, paying the crew and the cost of lost bookings, this is an enormous and unselfish act of the part of the cruise line that will have a significant positive impact on the lives of all of those affected by this tragedy. I'm on my soap box at the moment, but I hope that all cruisers will join me in supporting Carnival's decision. I'm booked on a cruise in October for my husband's birthday, and if RCCL needs my ship, they're welcome to it. God bless the victims of this tragedy.

Gina
 
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NewNCrusin

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I agree and I am happy that someone else is willing to compliment Carnival for doing what they can to help. I would have hated for my July cruise to be cancelled but if it was for something like this, I would have applauded Carnival. I have my home, my family and my health- safe and sound. So many weren't that lucky. Hats off to Carnival. I am proud to be a repeat Carnival cruiser.
 
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mlzangel78

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I am proud to be a repeat carnival cruiser as well,,,, so many people know the cruiseline for being "value" and although my opinion does not reflect that view, they were the first of the cruiselines to step up to the plate,,, hats off to carnival for their help and unselfishness in this time of chaos,,,and Although i would have been sad my cruise was cancelled they did offer pass the chance to book another with a full refund, and a shipboard credit, INCREDIBLE!!! I think what they are doing is awesome, and I am so proud to be a carnival cruiser :)
 
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bikevegas

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#5
Carnival is to be commended! Next cruise I take will be on Carnival beacsue of what they are now doing in N.O.!:USA:AL
 
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rshreib

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I agree as well but lets not kid ourselves, Carnival isnt going to lose money on this deal..But the cost is a drop in the bucket for the Govt who will spend billions on recovery.
 
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Coppertone Girl

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rsheib, that's an interesting comment... Tell me more about it when I get told why I'm not getting my raise this year... :)
 
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bikevegas

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If this is such a great deal for Carnival, why haven't the other lines offered their ships?:USA:AL
 
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mlzangel78

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I cant believe anyone would be so selfish as to feel bad their caribbean cruise got cancelled over this when the cruiseline said hey full refund and a 100 shipboard credit...... you get to go anyways, just not when you were supposed to, you got an extra hundred to spend,,,, i just cant see how people could be upset over this, imagine telling someone who lives in New orleans, how pissed off you are your cruise got cancelled , while your standing next to what used to be their home, that now underwater , with all their possesions gone and ruined, and their spouse is missing or dead,,,, ???? Do you think theyd be sympathetic to your problem,,, get some perspective folks..,.. some of us including myself have cruises stacked 3 or 4 high,,, we are some of the luckiest people in the world to be able to cruise , and be cruise addicts,,, and we cant see that some poeple dont even have a pot to piss in right now, let alone food water and loved ones,,, and one of us here in this lucky lucky community is concerned about missing a vacation,..that is being refunded and credited anyways, youve got to be kidding me ughhhhhhhhhhhh
 
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Alley

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I agree but I did read and hear that Fema (spelling?) will pay Carnival for the use of their ships during this disaster. Has anyone else heard this?


Alley
 
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Smilingtman

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#11
If you read it it says "Carnival Cruise Lines has chartered three of its cruise ships" . When you charter you are paying for.
 
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inthe831

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#12
My only beef with Carnival is that I haven't been contacted. I read about my cruise being cancelled on a message board.

I don't know if it's true or not, but I read that the cruise line is getting $249 million for the use of three ships for six months.
 
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floridajourneygirl

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I say great for Carnival, hats off to them! They could have just moved the ships that were effected by Katrina to another port and went about their business. But they didn't! They are a business and are willing to help. Why shouldn't they be paid.

inthe831, I also know how you feel about not being contacted. Our cruise last year had the days of ports changed and also read about it on a message board, not Carnival. Our TA didn't even know about it. Carnvial isn't very good about communicating with the pubic.
 
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lizardstew

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I agree. They can't be expected to take three of their ships out of service for six months (or more) with no compensation. Why would anyone expect them to do this???
 
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Robkabob

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From the NY Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/06/b...72028-vfL3EDta73UwDkOl97AyMA&pagewanted=print


September 6, 2005
Filling a Desperate Need for Shelter Begins With Cruise Ships and Proposals
By ERNEST BECK and EDMUND L. ANDREWS

Phase 1 of the government's plan to provide desperately needed transitional housing for tens of thousands of hurricane evacuees is scheduled to begin this morning, when homeless elderly people from various Texas locations board 30 buses destined for two Carnival cruise ships in Galveston, Tex.

Relief plans also call for housing evacuees in emergency trailers, hotels, motels, military bases and schools.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency chartered three vessels from Carnival Cruise Lines of Miami, the world's largest cruise-ship company, to lodge evacuees of Hurricane Katrina for up to six months. (All guests whose bookings have been canceled have been offered full refunds, according to the company).

The two ships, each capable of holding 2,600 people, will remain docked in Galveston; another, with an occupancy of 1,800, will be in Mobile, Ala. They will be used primarily for elderly victims and people with special health problems, with families a second priority, according to James McIntyre, a FEMA spokesman.

Red Cross personnel and the ship's medical team will be on board, but "this is not for those who are severely ill, it's for those who can be effectively independent," Mr. McIntyre said. Nor is it for those expecting luxuries associated with cruises.

"We bought a basic package without amenities - a room to live in, based on need, and food to eat," Mr. McIntyre said. "This is not about being bathed in luxury - it's to get people out of the Astrodome."

A FEMA spokesman said the agency has also put out a call to producers of "manufactured housing" and recreational vehicles - campers and the like - asking for assistance, and has placed orders for more than 50,000 trailers.

"They're looking at all types of housing, whatever anybody has right now and can ship right away," said Joanne Foist, a spokeswoman for Fleetwood Homes, one of the nation's biggest makers of manufactured housing. Fleetwood is based in Riverside, Calif., but it has 11 plants in Georgia, Tennessee, Kentucky and Texas that could supply about 400 homes a week to the hurricane-hit areas.

Mr. McIntyre pointed out that travel trailers were a bit roomier than the cabins on cruise ships, and added that they would be dispatched to locations in Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana, home states of the displaced, to "return them to some normalcy in their life as quick as possible," he said.

As rescue efforts for the devastated Gulf Coast cities gather pace, relief organizations and policy makers - as well as architects - are also thinking about the next phase. Daniel Libeskind, the celebrity architect known for his crystalline forms and his plan for a soaring Freedom Tower at ground zero, has an idea to help the tens of thousands left homeless by Hurricane Katrina: give them refuge in a low-cost modular shelter he has designed.

What Mr. Libeskind has in mind is a far cry from his more avant-garde buildings, like the Denver Art Museum extension and the Jewish Museum in Berlin. Imagine instead a compact 580-square-foot house with two small bedrooms, a bathroom, a kitchen and possibly a veranda, all for an estimated price of $3,700 or less. Featuring a pitched roof and latticework siding, the house, which is based on his design for a village in Sri Lanka flattened by the tsunami, is a dignified response to the crisis, Mr. Libeskind said, and could be built in about two weeks, depending on the materials.

"People should not be treated like sardines," he said. "These are not barracks."

After a disaster, there is no shortage of possible ways to house the displaced. But there is no best answer. Tents and shipping containers, for example, which have been used in other disaster zones around the world, have many drawbacks.

"In a hot environment, the idea of tents and things of that nature without ventilation or privacy makes for serious conditions," said David Downey, the director of the Center for Communities by Design, a resource center of the American Institute of Architects in Washington for architects interested in sustainable communities.

Shigeru Ban, the renowned Japanese architect, who is designing one of the multimillion-dollar homes in the enclave known as the Houses at Sagaponac in the Hamptons on Long Island, suggested in an interview on Friday that Katrina relief groups use his design for temporary housing made of cardboard tubes and plastic beer crates.

Called paper tube structures, the shelters were used after the 1995 earthquake that badly damaged Kobe, Japan, and after quakes in Turkey and India. One advantage is the cost: using donated materials from local companies and volunteer builders, "the houses are practically free," Mr. Ban said. They can be assembled by six people in six hours, once the materials are assembled.

Any temporary housing, however, has a way of becoming permanent once an initial emergency subsides, financing dries up and news media attention dwindles. Months after Hurricane Andrew flattened a large swath of South Florida in 1992, tent cities put up by relief organizations were still sheltering people, a source of much anger and resentment.

In Punta Gorda, on the west coast of Florida, more than 11,000 homes were wiped out when Hurricane Charley roared through in August of last year. Officials brought in 550 three-bedroom mobile homes as a temporary measure, but today the makeshift community - called "FEMA Village" - remains home to 1,500 people.

Its residents, most of whom lived in public housing before the storm, have had few opportunities to change the situation. Mr. McIntyre says the Punta Gorda mobile homes are "the standard" for those that may be used to house Katrina refugees.

Compared with a mobile home park, a fancy passenger ship - anchored in the Gulf, its cabins full of people in need of housing for months - sounds more inviting. Yet cruise ships are not ideal. On a ship, people would be far removed from any semblance of the life they once knew. A cruise ship, said Roberta Cohen, a co-director of the Brookings-Bern Project on Internal Displacement at the Brookings Institution in Washington, "is not a return to normalcy - it's some sort of 'first world' fantasy idea."

Beyond cruise liners and trailers, a growing number of architects are responding to global crises with innovative designs and concepts for affordable temporary housing that can be erected on the site with local materials or easily shipped to a disaster region, including packed-mud structures, durable prefabs and biodegradable "flat pack" units. Sean Godsell, an Australian architect, has designed temporary housing using shipping containers, calling them Future Shacks.

Like all good designs, those promoted by architects can be tweaked to fit different environments and cultures. Kevin Teague, an architect who is working on the Sri Lanka houses in Mr. Libeskind's New York office, said that plastic or fiberglass could be substituted for concrete blocks to make structures lighter.

Still, it is not clear how popular such housing might be. And much depends on the amount of aid made available by governments and relief agencies. Despite the low cost of his shelters, Mr. Ban managed to get only 50 or so cardboard dwellings built in Kobe and 30 in Turkey, aiding a tiny portion of the thousands left homeless and destitute.

Until now, Mr. Ban and Mr. Libeskind have not been in contact with relief organizations. "My energy alone," said Mr. Ban, "cannot build for the mass of the people."

Eric Lipton contributed reporting from Washington for this article.
 
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Coppertone Girl

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Alley Wrote:
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> I agree but I did read and hear that Fema
> (spelling?) will pay Carnival for the use of their
> ships during this disaster. Has anyone else heard
> this?
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> Alley


to Alley and to all others, TRUST ME, Carnival's revenue is not only in bookings, MUCH MUCH more is earned in casinos, shops, services, etc etc... not only that, this is going to impact so much! I don't think this has ever been done before, and the fact that is THREE SHIPS is something that wasn't expected even to us Carnival employees...

Another thing, it takes A LOT of money to charter a ship because of the possible loss of revenue as it is, and I doubt is sincerely that the Federal Government is paying what, let's say, Microsoft would pay...
 
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Coppertone Girl

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OH AND also think of the revenue lost to all those ports of call!!! The more you think about it, the more complicated it seems...

For example, lets say the Celebration sails with 2500 twice a week (full capacity is 2630) that means that COZUMEL's economy is going to feel the lack of half a million tourists coming down twice a week...

That's also two million people per month, NOT SPENDING MONEY ON A CARNIVAL VESSEL... THAT'S JUST ON THE ECSTASY...

It sounds easy to just say "oh Carnival's getting paid" but if you say so, you are unintentionally being QUITE NAIVE!!!

Oh and this morning there were HUNDREDS of calls from angry people not knowing what to do, cursing out Carnival and saying how they'll never sail with Carnival again...
 
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Erinm

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It does affect a lot of people, but something had to be done. It really is a matter of life and death for the people in the affected areas. I would probably be disappointed too, but I know it's the right thing to do. I'm just wondering what they will do after 6 months. Do they just tell everyone on the ship "okay, time to go?"

Robkabob: That was a really interesting article. It will be interesting to see what they will end up doing.
 
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Coppertone Girl

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I doubt it that anyone will be on the ship for the entire duration... Most likely it will be a temporary housing per individual basis...

By the way:

The Ecstasy was built in 1991
houses 2634 guests and 926 crew and officers
Her last dry-dock lasted 20 days in October of 2004

The Holiday was built in 1985
houses 1860 guests and 680 crew and officers
She was on dry-dock for 18 days in Dec of 2003
she was schedulded to go into dry-dock for two weeks in September of this year

The Sensation was built in 1993
same guest and crew occupancy as the Ecstasy, they are sister ships.
Her last dry-dock was on Dec of 03, she was scheduled to go into dry-dock this October for two weeks.

They (except the Holiday) are not the oldest ships, the Fantasy and the Celebration are.