No one has to work or socialize in any bar or restaurant, of any kind, for any reason other than personal choice. Doesn't it make more sense for those concerned about second-hand smoke to simply patronize the many smoke-free establishments available than to try to force their will on the rest?

The free market is working and should continue to be the standard that we use to define public policy.

Nonsmokers and smokers are both American citizens, and they both have rights to choose to be in an environment of their preference. Creating a society that tries to force one preference over another is in direct conflict with everything we celebrated on July 4.


Here in NY, we have gotten used to not smoking in public places. In fact, when the ban started, we would get cigarette breaks, we wasted more time doing it. But, we did what they wanted us to do.

I do not bother people who cannot take the smoke, I am very considerate. However, telling me not to smoke in my own cabin, is just absolutely wrong.

Lady Jag

Maybe the best thing to do is to designate a certain section of the ship's cabins to smoking & non-smoking.

Maybe the Port & Starboard side or aft section on both sides?


That's exactly what I've been say Lady Jag....I agree! That's the way it was when I first started cruising....or at least on NCL and Holland America is was that way and that was fine with me. Port side was non-smoking and starboard side was smoking (cabins included in this). That's what I call a compromise......not telling someone who is on vacation, to get out of bed at 3:00 a.m and go find a place up on deck to smoke. Sadly though, as one wonderful poster told me.....this controversy will never be settled because there will always be someone who thinks they should get more preference.

Lady Jag

I remember those days (only about 7 years ago) when ships had "Smoking cabins" and "Non-smoking cabins".

I suppose the argument would then be, "Why do _______ (insert "smokers" or "non-smokers") get cabins in the best part of the ship and I don't?" :lol


:lol Lady Jag. The best part of the ship is all relative. For me, the best part is at the very front of the far forward as possible, but I know to some, that would be the worst part for them.


Interesting thread, lots of emotion there ::eek: I think that if they enforced the existing smoking rules, they'd not need to resort to these kind of measures. Our last RCI cruise made it difficult for us to walk the baby around, what with people smoking everywhere on all sides of the promenade deck, and then just dropping the smoking butts onto the deck--sometimes mashing them with a foot, sometimes just walking away. The killer (pun intended :lol) was one woman who took one last drag outside, stepped into the (crowded) lobby of the dining room, and exhaled onto everyone in line:X.
I'm a "live and let live" kind of guy, but maybe RCI has something there...

Gayle V

I have to agree that I preferred having one side of the ship for smoking and one smoke free. (as long as the cruise line enforces the smoke free part!)

We were better off having all smokers on one side, because then the non-smokers could enjoy their own verandahs without the smoke. If they kept the smoke in their own rooms, no one else would be affected, (at least not for that one sailing). Letting them smoke on any and all verandahs Is something that would affect other people. It's not a terribly logical policy.

Unfortunately our desire for logic and for all people to be accomodated, is missing one point. I seriously doubt if the cruise lines are doing any of this as an effort to improve anyone's health. Hey smokers, don't think the cruise line is trying to tell you how to live your life. They really couldn't care less if you get cancer. They care about the bottom line.

It's all about the money. (Isn't it always !) If no one smokes in the cabins the cruise line saves a ton of money on the cleaning bill, and on the lost time and revenue resulting from unhappy customers. (Face it, there are lots more non-smokers than smokers)

If they were really trying to change your life choices they wouldn't allow the smoking in the casino either. But THAT would cost them money because all smokers are gamblers. Heck they gamble with their lives everytime they light up. The management certainly wouldn't want to keep such high stakes gamblers out of a casino.


I am a smoker and I think the policy is fine but will need to be tweaked down the line. I never smoke in my cabin but I do on our balcony.

I try to be considerate of others, including my DH who does not smoke but one cruise, the lady in the cabin next to me told me I couldn't smoke on my balcony at all because it bothered her. I just told her I was allowed to smoke on my baloncy and would be doing so but would try to be considerate of her. She was downright rude and told me she was going to report me.

BTW, she complained to Guest relations, the cabin steward and anyone else that would listen and got nowhere. I did smoke of my balcony but tried not to smoke out there when she was outside. I think it will be a much bigger issue when the changes take effect. I think there will be many more problems like this and they will need to figure out how to split the cabins, smoking and non-smoking.


No helmet and smokin" too.. You are a freedom rider. lol
enjoy your life while you :angelcan.
That's "Freedom FIGHTER"......I also drink and swear. If I live to be your age, I'll be happy. lol

An honestly......after watching some folks go through Alzheimer's......and also watching folks die from lung cancer.......guess how I'd rather bow out?????? You got it. :rasta


I'm not making excuses for why I smoke. However, did you all know that smoking is good for people with Parkinson's disease. I contribute money to them, and they once had an article in their newsletter about how nicotine, and smoking helped these people. Immediately, the report was never to be heard again.

I really get so tired of this carrying on. Soon they will try to ban people who are overweight. As I said before, enough is enough. Let me live my life the way I wish to, without hurting someone else. I am a very courteous smoker, I will never try to put people in harm's way, smoking in my own cabin does not hurt anyone else.


[quote tutak][quote BSeabob]
Will I live to see 80?

I recently picked a new primary care doctor. After two visits and
exhaustive lab tests, he said I was doing "fairly well" for my age.

A little concerned about that comment, I couldn't resist asking him,
you think I'll live to be 80?"

He asked, "Do you smoke tobacco, or drink beer or wine?"

"Oh no," I replied. "I'm not doing drugs, either!"

Then he asked, "Do you eat rib-eye steaks and barbecued ribs?"

I said, "No, my former doctor said that all red meat is very

"Do you spend a lot of time in the sun, like playing golf,
sailing, hiking, or bicycling?"

"No, I don't," I said.

He asked, "Do you gamble, drive fast cars, or have a lot of sex?"

"No," I said.

He looked at me and said, "Then, why do you even give a x#%+ about living to 80?" [/quote]

I see your point. :)P)[/quote]

Did I say that ? lol


#56 maternal grandmother died from Alzheimer's a couple of years ago and it was horrible.


Why should a non-smoker who always cruises in a port side cabin (over 70+ cruises) be told they have to go to starboard because the smokers are on Port Side?

I do nothing that interferes with someone's enjoyment. Smokers do something that intereferes with others ability to breathe clean air.

If in the scheme proposed here that one side of ships be designated smoking cabins and the other non-smoking, I, the person who does not interfere with anyone's enjoyment, is denied by choice of cabin. I must like it on port side if I have booked it so many times.

We've all heard the smokers arguments and they never have and never will change.

The argument that casinos will lose money if they go non-smoking and that ships will lose tons of business and fail as in the Carnival's Paradise is outdated and not applicable anymore.

In the days of Paradise, there were far more smokers than there are today. The percentage of the U.S. population that smokes is down to something like 21%. Of tha 21%, I wonder if maybe 2 % of them or even less cruise. If that percentage of folks don't want to cruise because they can't puff smoke where they want, the cruise companies won't take as huge a hit as some imply.

On Noordam in January, the casino was smoke free the full 11 days and had been for cruise after cruise and cruises after us. Could not have been losing all that money that some here claim or you can be sure HAL would have put the ashtrays back out in the blink of an eye. It will always be about the money.

When about 80% of the guests on a ship don't smoke and a huge percentage are vocal about wanting fewer smoking permitted places........ I think the powers that be will be listening to that huge majority. They want more and more families to cruise. Families with young children do not want their kids around smokers.

Many of us live in states where there are few places where people can smoke. We love it and when we get to the ships and see all the smoking, each time we have to readjust to seeing it.

Many parents hope their kids see little of it so they don't ever want to try it themselves.

I read a great quote on another BB many years ago. For some reason it stuck with me....... of all the ways people have told others to stop smoking, none of them impressed me. I know that someone has to want to do it for themselves but this one registered:

"Most smokers will have to give it up one day for one reason or another. May as well do it now and get it over with".

Don't wait for the heart attack or stroke or cancer........think about quitting now. Think how liberating it will be to not have to deal with all these smoking issues. What a freedom it would be for you to not have to scrounge around to find a clean ashtray and not have to use some grungy mess left behind smelly and disgusting looking for you to use.

In the very near future, your state/your city/your town will limit smoking to the point it will continue to get more and more inconvenient.

"You'll have to give it up someday for one reason or it now and get it over with."

Sorry for anyone who doesn't like anything I wrote. It is not my intention to be righteous or sanctimonious.....just to state my opinion.

I just worry now that my favorite cruise line (HAL) will inherit defectors from cruise lines with stricter smoking rules than HAL has.


[quote sail7seas]Sorry for anyone who doesn't like anything I wrote. It is not my intention to be righteous or sanctimonious.....just to state my opinion.[/quote]

Try that on one of the dress code threads and watch what happens.


There will never be a compromise for the smokers and non-smokers to coexist because there will always be people like sail7seas, who think they are better than other people just because they don't smoke. Hopefully at some point, someone will come up with a brilliant idea to satisfy both sides.


I quit smoking in 1979. That being said, I think I know a little about what it feels like on both sides of the issue. The problem is that when you are a smoker, you really have no concept of how annoying the second-hand smoke can be to others. You don't smell it in your own house, on your own clothes, or on your own hair. It only becomes apparent after you QUIT smoking.

I'm just glad I quit when I did. I don't say that from a health point of view (although that is obviously a benefit) but only because smoking is such a hassle these days! I wouldn't want to be put in that position of always having to find an acceptable place to smoke!