Discussion in 'Know Before You Go' started by red stripe, Jul 23, 2007.
When rational argument fails, just go for the attack.
My research reveals that The Carnival Paradise inaugral was November 1998 and she became a smoking ship in Sept 2004. So by my calculation that is 6 years and not 2. I sailed her on a 10 night itinerary, and she ship was close to sold out. She did not only sail 7 night cruises, but that was the majority of her trips. However with the excetion of repo cruises ,Hawaii and Europe most of Carnival voyages are 7 days and less.
My understanding is that the liqour and gamblimg revenues suffer greatly on non smoking ships. It seems that smokers like to gamble and drink more than non smokers. As I non smoker I like to drink , but do not gamble. Not sure about the rest of you. Remember the cruise lines bottom line is the most important thing...to them.
The Carnival Paradise did not fail from lack or cruisers, but lack of spending on other vices. I would assume that the revenue per passenger is now acceptable to Carnival.
I am chirping in. I smoke, but no one else in my home does. I have never smoked in my home, cars, cabins of a cruise ship(balcony only) Heck I don't even smoke at my friends homes that ARE smokers. I know it smells everything up. I know there will never be an even ground for everyone, But Put the smokers on oneside of the ship. I know someone will hate that, but others wouldn't be affected by our secondhand smoke. Is RCI going to STOP selling cigarettes onboard?? I doubt it. I love RCI, but if this is really put through I will have to look at other alternatives. JUST MY 2 Cents.
For years we had tried to tell my parents that when we visited them, we went home stinking of cigarette smoke. Once I stopped on the way home to see my DB, and as soon as we walked into his house, he said he could tell we had been at Mom and Daddy's I had no washing maching, and I would do my laundry there, and it smelled like smoke. They told me I was just too picky.
Then, my parents eventually gave up smoking. About a year later, they called me. apologizing profusely. Seems they went to visit some friends, and didn't know they smoked. Mom said they nearly got sick in their house. She went on and on about how bad even the drapes smelled. She said she couldn't believe they had put my DB and me thru that all those years.
One of the ladies I worked with for years was a heavy smoker. When they made our store smoke free, she would spend her breaks sitting in her car on the parking lot smoking. Her coat stank so bad, that just from haning on the same coat rack, mine would pick up that smell. She thought she was a courteous smoker, too, and probably would be mortified to know how bad she stank. I was too courteous to tell her.
I don't know what she thought the choking and coughing came from.
Reggae mentioned something about the hospitals in his area becoming non-smoking institutions, and asked what the employees who smoke do for a smoke break. The city of Tulsa banned smoking on any hospital property of any type, including clinics and any other property owned by a hospital. If an employee is found smoking on hospital property, they get one warning, and after that if they do it again, they are dismissed. This includes private vehicles on hospital property. Citations are being issued all the time, and so far, they city has refused to dismiss any of the tickets. It doesn't make any difference if the smoker is an employee, patient, or visitor. As an employee, we are supposed to be required to report anyone smoking anywhere, and ask the individual to stop. After I had a knife pulled on me, I decided that it is up to the police or security guards to tell them. It is a battle that will probably never be resolved, because the feelings are just as strong pro or con.
Hey...RCL just became a lot more attractive to me and I'm considering them as a strong contender for the first time!! (Did I tell you lately that I'm working for an internationally known clinical director specializing in smoking cessation and loving it...:lol)
By the way, there is a logical reason why nonsmokers don't get a nonsmoking casino and only one smokeless bar......three addictions which make big money for the ship....smoking, drinking and gambling! Someone above pegged it when they said the bottom line was savings and income for the ship and not our health as the biggest concern.
Some institutions take the no smoking rule to dangerous extremes. The hospital I work at is one of them. We've had the "no smoking on hospital premises" policy for over a year now. All smokers actually have to walk outside the gates of the parking lot to smoke. One of our night shift workers was even fired for smoking in her own car in the parking lot one very cold night this past winter.
It gets very cold on a winter night, here in Cleveland. And the street outside our campus is not the safest place. (I certainly wouldn't want to be standing out there at three AM.) It's only a matter of time before something dreadful happens to one of those girls, standing out there at night smoking. The lawsuit that follows that will be one for the books.
I am post this link here only because it is related ...
I love a good debate and this definately is a good one. I just need to remind everyone what seperates the Cruise Addicts community from the others. Its the people who are polite and can debate these tough subjects and not make any personal attacks. Please be sure that this is not part of your message or else it causes me to have to remove the thread. Please review our forums Terms of Service and note this portion "Please, don't attack another poster personally. Do not harass, threaten, embarrass, or do anything else to another member that is unwanted, do not attack their race, heritage, beliefs, etc. If you disagree with someone, respond to the subject, not the person. Postings of this nature will be removed from the forums.". If your guilty of any of this please apologize or risk being locked in your cabin and given crew food while your dressed in just your PJ's for the rest of your cruise here.
I tried to be tactful. Hopefully I was successful. If I offended anyone I apologize.
[quote bOB]I love a good debate and this definately is a good one. I just need to remind everyone what seperates the Cruise Addicts community from the others. Its the people who are polite and can debate these tough subjects and not make any personal attacks. Please be sure that this is not part of your message or else it causes me to have to remove the thread. Please review our forums Terms of Service and note this portion "Please, don't attack another poster personally. Do not harass, threaten, embarrass, or do anything else to another member that is unwanted, do not attack their race, heritage, beliefs, etc. If you disagree with someone, respond to the subject, not the person. Postings of this nature will be removed from the forums.". If your guilty of any of this please apologize or risk being locked in your cabin and given crew food while your dressed in just your PJ's for the rest of your cruise here.[/quote]
bOB, why do you think RCI is installing boxing rings on its ships now?
Is this an attempt to change the subject..........
I would hazard to guess RCL's Balcony Cabins have become very popular...
I'm a smoker, smoking isn't good for me, and I know that. It's a horrible addiction one can fight for years.
Until I quit smoking, I'll cross RCL off my list of lines. It's not a problem, and I respect the line for choosing to have non smoking cabins. I mainly just smoke on the balcony anyway. I wouldn't want to mess up and pass the area of the balcony door on my way into the cabin space... and I know, sure as I'm sitting here... it would happen.
I only ask, just let me know, when I book a cruise, whatever line, if I can have a smoking cabin - if not, then so be it.
Have a great night folks, this has been interesting.
Just remember, tobacco is the only product available in the country that when used as directed can harm/kill you.
Seems to me that the main issues posted so far are the right to breathe clean air vs. the right to smoke if one wants to, along with the health hazaards and available cabin choices/limitations involved with each. (plus ship profits, of course) I wish I didn't smoke, but I still do and you all know what health issues I've been through recently. What can I say except Guilty as charged of being very foolish indeed.
But, by now I'm getting used to the smoking restrictions every where I go. I'll get by if I can't smoke in my own cabin (can't afford a balcony so I'll go up topside). I won't smoke while standing next to a non smoker unless they are standing in MY SPACE. I'll routinely spray fabreeze on my clothes. I'll wash my hair every day and munch on plenty of breath mints. I know I'll find lots of company along side the other smokers who are also quietly and quickly heading up to the 'sacred' smoking sections. You meet the nicest folks while indulging in this frowned upon past time and you can bet that we have nice long conversations. B)-
But a cruise wouldn't be much fun for me at all if I weren't allowed to smoke anywhere on the ship, In fact, I just wouldn't cruise if this came to pass. How sad. If I did try a smoke free ship none of you non smokers would be able to stand my company anyway. I would be the grouchiest passenger on board and the captain just might toss me overboard after only a few days.
So I for one hope that they leave us smokers a tiny patch on their big ole ships to feed our addictions in peace and quiet.
And no, I don't think anyone who posted here thought they were better than anyone else, I just think they have a different point of view and they wish we didn't smoke, for our health as well as their own. I agree wholeheartedly and God willing, some day I shall be one of them. But just thinking about a whole non smoking ship makes me want to chain smoke. Now where did I leave that lighter? :S
I was keeping out of this debate, but Mariposa, well said.
Down here, we pay very high taxes for our "bad" habit. I think I should button my lip now :grin
Jill , in Canada smokers pay extremely high taxes on cigarettes, but people still buy them. My husband included.
For those tha have never seen Canadian Cigarette packaging take a look at this link. Regardless of the brand. It is gross, but people still smoke even looking at this every time they light up
MortgageChick, we have those gross pics all over our cigarette packets here, but I have to admit that we die-hard smokers take no notice. We are all well aware of the risks involved.
I could say more on this touchy subject, but I think I should just be quiet.
I'm sure some of you know about the smoking ban in Ontario, Canada.
We live in Michigan, and we often go to the Casino in Windsor, Ontario. Since they changed over to all "non-smoking", it's been interesting.
First they remodeled everything, and made it a gorgeous, huge casino and hotel.
The entire place is "non-smoking", and they set up outside patios for the smokers. (They are heated in the winter).
We thought for sure that they would lose customers, but guess what? The place is PACKED every time we go! It's unbelievable!
I'm a Blackjack player, and now when the smoker's want a smoke, they go outside for a bit and come back and join the table. They save their spot for them at the table while they are gone. (Sometimes, it changes the cards for the better, too ).
Anyway, it seems to be working for everyone. The non-smokers are happy and the smokers don't seem to mind going out for a break. (They have free coffee and bottled water for them out there too).
Now they are trying to get the same thing at the Detroit casinos...that will be something, if they pull that off. I don't see it happening any time soon. (We still have lots of restaurants and bars that allow smoking indoors.)
Great debate going on here!
I apologize to anyone and everyone I have offended with any of my posts. But I do stand by my belief that smokers have just as much right as non-smokers do live their life as they please. I pay my taxes just the same as non-smokers do, and if the government every says that non-smokers will no longer have to pay income tax.......I'll still be paying taxes! :lol