seagarsmoker, here, here =clap =clap =clap Give that man a cigar! You said exactly what I wanted/was trying to say, but you said it so much better! I realize there are people who definitely want PC to begin with and can't understand anyone who has PC making a standing reservation. I completely agree that there is a very serious problem and Princess just doesn't want to face the fact that maybe PC isn't working. Forcing people who want traditional dining into a PC situation is only going to create more PC standing reservations. My solution was one traditional dining room, one PC dining room for reservations (this would be the overflow from traditional) and one completely PC. That'll never happen, though, since that would basically be admitting defeat.