Will sinking of Costa Concordia affect your cruise booking??

bob

Community Manager
Staff member
#21
>>Was the Captain actually at the con or was a lower officer in charge?<< Doesn't matter, Captain is the one with the note, that's where the buck stops.
>>So close to shore, was there a Pilot on board?<< Were not leaving or entering a port, pilot not required.
>>What happened with the watertight doors?<< Today's modern cruise ships are everything but watertight. The openness of passenger deck, balcony cabins with sliding doors, even areas below passenger level have reached a point of not being able to be secured watertight. Fire control yes, water control no.
>>What about the Sonar and depth finder?<< Somebody wasn't paying attention were they........
>>The Cap said in an interview that the rocks were not on the charts? Were they, or was he not where he thought he was?<< The Mediterranean has been charted since biblical times, I would pick door number two.
>>Carnival stock will probably take a hit, and profits.<< Carnival will survive, Costa is another question........
 
#22
I don't think speculation here will solve anything. The Captain has stated he was in a position where there was sufficient water under the keel to operate safely. All on the bridge will be interview and their statements and charts will be compared to the only item that can be believed on the whole ship, their version of the "Black Box". I did see video of authorities removing it from the deck above the bridge and no doubt they are examining it as we write. As someone who has spent many years at sea the mapping of the ocean floor and close in waters is far from an exact science. Minor rises and falls along with large rocks, such as what we can see in the hull of Concordia, can be, and often are easily missed while surveying.

While a picture is being painted at the moment of a Captain who may have failed in his duty of care toward his passengers, as we see it, we were not there. No one becomes the Captain of a ship without hard work and dedication. Years at sea, often sacrificing a family and any sense of what we may call a normal life for a love of the sea. The job comes with long hours and the responsibility often of thousands of lives and hundreds if not billions of dollars of ship and cargo. The buck always stops with him and everyone looks to him for all the answers in a crisis.

Did this Captain make a mistake, I personally hope not, because his life will be ruined with no hope of a reprieve.
 

BruinSteve

Well-Known Member
#23
It won't affect my cruising any more than any airplane crash affects my decisions to fly...or any car crashes would stop me from getting in my car and driving...

I do have certain doubts about Costa and their safety record, but I have never been very likely to cruise with Costa...for reasons other than their safety record...but their safety record certainly adds to that hesitation...
 

Krazy Kruizers

Holland America Specialist
#24
What happened to the Concordia will not affect us as we have no plans on cancelling cruises unless it has to do with our health.

But I certainly hope HAL goes back to taking attendance and make everyone pay attention at the lifeboat drill. Our last ones on the Noordam were a joke!! People coming out laughing and talking -- some with drinks in their hands -- and no one ever told to be quiet so that we could hear the captain talking. As we were heading back to the elevators to return to our cabin after the drill we noticed people sitting in the Ocean Bar enjoying drinks -- they never even went to the drill.
 

iluvcruzin

Well-Known Member
#25
It won't change my future cruising plans. There was a family on Today this morning that talked about their experience. They said the staff was not there to help and assist passengers. The woman started the interview with "I've been on 75 cruises". This could have happened on any cruiseline. They all have had something happen one time or another whether it was loosing power, a fire board or hitting land. One just needs to be aware of their surroundings and be ready to react in an emergency.
 

gram

Well-Known Member
#26
:sunny::sunny::sunny:



This accident will not affect us cruising. In fact, I wish I had a cruise to go on right now. According to todays news the captain was four miles off course. The law suites will be coming out from all over. I hope Carnival doesn't raise their prices on all their cruise lines to pay for all these expenses.
 

connie seabee

Well-Known Member
Community Sponsor
#27
I too plan on cruising again. This was a very unfortunate accident, but as we all know, accidents can happen anywhere.

Gram, I was wondering the same thing regarding Carnival prices perhaps going up to cover loss.
 

Cruizer

Well-Known Member
#28
Costa Cruises blames captain for ship disaster - Yahoo! News

The company will be close to the captain and will provide him with all the necessary assistance, but we need to acknowledge the facts and we cannot deny human error," he said.

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Foschi said the ship had deviated from the correct route when it hit rocks near the coast, tearing a large hole in the hull, and that the captain had contravened company's safety procedures.

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Schettino has told Italian television the ship hit rocks that were not marked on maps and were not detected by navigation systems. He said the accident occurred 300 meters from shore.
The ship is 290 meters long. So its distance from shore was about one ship length, and the Captain had no intention of docking there. So why was the ship so close to shore???
 

ShipMaven

Forever Remembered
#29
This will not affect my cruising in the least, but I DO pick and choose my cruise lines carefully - always have.

I hope this will teach a lesson to those who gripe about lifeboat drills that they ARE critically important!!
 

Kruzr41

Active Member
#30
>>Was the Captain actually at the con or was a lower officer in charge?<< Doesn't matter, Captain is the one with the note, that's where the buck stops.
>>So close to shore, was there a Pilot on board?<< Were not leaving or entering a port, pilot not required.
>>What happened with the watertight doors?<< Today's modern cruise ships are everything but watertight. The openness of passenger deck, balcony cabins with sliding doors, even areas below passenger level have reached a point of not being able to be secured watertight. Fire control yes, water control no.
>>What about the Sonar and depth finder?<< Somebody wasn't paying attention were they........
>>The Cap said in an interview that the rocks were not on the charts? Were they, or was he not where he thought he was?<< The Mediterranean has been charted since biblical times, I would pick door number two.
>>Carnival stock will probably take a hit, and profits.<< Carnival will survive, Costa is another question........
I know the Cap is ultimately responsible. The question was if he was on the bridge or not?

Years ago when I lived in CA a pilot was bringing the Coral Sea aircraft carrier down a narrow channel in the east SF Bay. He ran it aground. The ship's Captain was fired.
 

nieciez

Well-Known Member
Community Sponsor
#31
Wont stop us from cruising! But I agree...it is a wake-up call/reminder on how important life boat drill is!
 

Funnel

Sweden Unleased - Special Contributor
#32
The ship is 290 meters long. So its distance from shore was about one ship length, and the Captain had no intention of docking there. So why was the ship so close to shore???
It seems Costa Concordia sometimes did "fly by" at this island, probably to show the island for the tourists onboard and to show the ship for the residents. One passing can be seen here.

[video=youtube;jN8DFFS2W4c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN8DFFS2W4c&feature=player_embedded[/video]

This is a link to another passing during the night.

La nave Concordia vicino al Giglio - Video - Corriere TV

/Erik
 

Cruizer

Well-Known Member
#34
I know the Cap is ultimately responsible. The question was if he was on the bridge or not?
The reports are that he was on the bridge - directing the ship to a place it should not have been. He would have been better off if he had been in the MDR having dinner.
 

bob

Community Manager
Staff member
#36
I know the Cap is ultimately responsible. The question was if he was on the bridge or not?

Years ago when I lived in CA a pilot was bringing the Coral Sea aircraft carrier down a narrow channel in the east SF Bay. He ran it aground. The ship's Captain was fired.
and in this case the pilot was probably a military pilot, it just doesn't matter, the buck stops in the captains chair.

Ultimately the captain of a ship is responsible for his entire bridge staff whether he is on the bridge or not, in this case as Cruizer stated, he was on the bridge, here is a case where double jeopardy goes out the window, he is out to dry on both counts.
 
#37
it wont stop me from booking and it wont make me cancel the one I have in July. however, there are a bunch who are cancelling. this too shall pass

as for the captain getting too close, they are saying that he got close because one of the staff members wanted to wave to a family member on the island.
 
#38
It is quite obvious from the you tube video clips attached in previous posts that Costa was and is fully aware of what it's ship was up to with regard to these "fly bys". Costa would and does know every minute of the day where it's ships are and has done nothing for at least 2 years to stop it. From that any reasonable person would have to agree that this was a sanctioned manoeuvre even if it wasn't on the approved course.
 

Kruzr41

Active Member
#39
and in this case the pilot was probably a military pilot, it just doesn't matter, the buck stops in the captains chair.

Ultimately the captain of a ship is responsible for his entire bridge staff whether he is on the bridge or not, in this case as Cruizer stated, he was on the bridge, here is a case where double jeopardy goes out the window, he is out to dry on both counts.
I'm unaware that there is such a thing as a military harbor pilot. In the Coral Sea grounding, it was a regular San Francisco Bay harbor pilot.

And yes, the Captain is always responsible. That's why he gets paid the big bucks. And will get paid no more.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
 

KathyC

Well-Known Member
#40
It will not change our cruising plans; we're sailing on the Eclipse in April. We always attend the drills & I do try to listen but I've had many passengers around me complain about the drills & talking when they should be listening!

No matter how many drills they have, when an actual disaster happens people are going to PANIC and probably not remember to what they've been told.

This was as very tragic accident. All things considered, when you think about how many ships are sailing every day it is a pretty safe way to travel. I'm much more afraid of flying than getting on a ship.
 

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